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NOYB's avatar

Sounds like someone who has a financial consulting business.

Paul OBrien's avatar

This is a great example worth following up on. Maybe ask it monthly to benchmark AI progress?

A few other thoughts:

- Your example is well detailed, but there is not one 7 significant digit correct answer that all insurance experts would agree on.

- The average of the AI answers is not that far off. This how one should use AI. Get multiple opinions.

- FWIW, I gave your prompt to the latest Fable model. It looks pretty close to your chart. Note that it mentions Maxify! Thoughts?

Fable response:

Here's a year‑by‑year term insurance ladder for your life, built the way economists (and tools like MaxiFi) do it: for each possible year of death, I found the smallest payout that would let your wife and kids maintain the same per‑person living standard they'd have enjoyed had you lived — accounting for her stopping work, the pension dying with you, Social Security survivor benefits, taxes, your no-borrowing constraint, and the $2M that goes to your sister if you die before 70. Everything is in today's dollars.

**Estimated inputs the model produced along the way:** your Social Security PIA ≈ $43,900/yr (real); your age‑70 benefit ≈ $54,400; survivor family maximum ≈ $76,800/yr; her PIA ≈ $17,000, so her own‑plus‑spousal benefit at 62 ≈ $15,100; your 401(k) grows to ≈ $808K by end‑2043, supporting ≈ $46,600/yr real withdrawals from 68; the inherited IRA supports ≈ $28,500/yr for 10 years. Your household's sustainable real living standard is liquidity‑constrained until 70: roughly $96K–$114K/yr of discretionary spending while kids are home, ≈ $111K as empty nesters — then jumping ≈ 37% once the inheritance arrives at 70.

| Year | Your age | Coverage needed (today's $) | If you don't insure the inheritance‑funded lifestyle |

|---|---|---|---|

| 2026 | 50 | $2,220,000 | $1,560,000 |

| 2027 | 51 | $2,250,000 | $1,570,000 |

| 2028 | 52 | $2,270,000 | $1,590,000 |

| 2029 | 53 | $2,290,000 | $1,600,000 |

| 2030 | 54 | $2,310,000 | $1,620,000 |

| 2031 | 55 | $2,330,000 | $1,630,000 |

| 2032 | 56 | $2,350,000 | $1,640,000 |

| 2033 | 57 | $2,380,000 | $1,660,000 |

| 2034 | 58 | $2,390,000 | $1,670,000 |

| 2035 | 59 | $2,400,000 | $1,670,000 |

| 2036 | 60 | $2,420,000 | $1,680,000 |

| 2037 | 61 | $2,390,000 | $1,640,000 |

| 2038 | 62 | $2,350,000 | $1,590,000 |

| 2039 | 63 | $2,280,000 | $1,510,000 |

| 2040 | 64 | $2,200,000 | $1,430,000 |

| 2041 | 65 | $2,130,000 | $1,340,000 |

| 2042 | 66 | $2,050,000 | $1,250,000 |

| 2043 | 67 | $1,970,000 | $1,170,000 |

| 2044 | 68 | $1,850,000 | $1,040,000 |

| 2045 | 69 | $1,760,000 | $940,000 |

| 2046 | 70 (dies before June birthday) | $1,700,000 | $860,000 |

| 2047 | 71 | $360,000 | $0 |

| 2048 | 72 | $300,000 | $0 |

| 2049 | 73 | $230,000 | $0 |

| 2050 | 74 | $170,000 | $0 |

| 2051 | 75 | $110,000 | $0 |

| 2052 | 76 | $60,000 | $0 |

| 2053 | 77 | ~$0 | $0 |

| 2054+ | 78–90 | $0 | $0 |

Each row is the coverage to hold *during* that year (death assumed at the start of the year, the conservative case). Since these are real dollars, a level nominal face amount erodes ~2.25%/yr — so either gross up by inflation or, more practically, build a ladder (e.g., roughly $1.7M of term to age 70 plus ~$700K of 10–15 year term approximates the main column, with the small post‑70 tail self‑insured or covered by a small permanent policy — term is hard to buy new past your mid‑70s anyway).

What drives the shape: the need *rises* until age 60 even as your remaining wages shrink, because survivor benefits shrink faster — the ~$76,800/yr family‑maximum checks fade as each child turns 18 (2028, 2033, 2038) and your wife's mother's benefit ends in 2036, leaving her a gap with no benefits until her widow benefit at 60. The cliff at 71 is the inheritance: dying at 70 costs your family the $2M (plus your pension and future Social Security), while dying at 71 costs them relatively little because the money is already in hand and she gets your full age‑70 benefit ($54,400) as a widow. The second column shows how much of the early‑year need — about $660K–$860K — exists only to replace the *higher lifestyle* the inheritance would have funded; some families choose not to insure a contingent windfall, which is why I show both.

Assumptions I had to fill in (each is adjustable):

- Real discount/growth rate of 2.44% (4.75% nominal, 2.25% inflation); insurance proceeds earn the same return; premiums not netted out.

- Equivalence scale for "same living standard": a child costs 70% of an adult and two adults live as cheaply as 1.6, so the survivors' target is scaled accordingly; the house is kept until your wife's death at 100, with the $20K/yr real carrying costs paid throughout.

- The $2M inheritance is $2M nominal in 2046 (≈ $1.28M today); the inherited IRA is emptied over 10 years per the SECURE Act; your wife rolls over and annuitizes your 401(k) to age 100 if you die.

- She claims her widow benefit at the earliest possible date (60, reduced to 71.5%, consistent with your "file for everything" approach); waiting until her FRA would trim the needed coverage somewhat.

- You work through May 2044 (while age 67); simplified federal, FICA, and Georgia taxes (GA retirement exclusions, Social Security taxation with fixed nominal thresholds); Social Security bend points and wage indexing estimated from the historical average wage series with future wage growth at inflation.

One inconsistency worth flagging: $45,000 in 1996 growing 4%/yr implies ~$140K last year, not $100K today — I used the history exactly as you stated it for the earnings record, which produces a high PIA. If your actual earnings record differs (check your ssa.gov statement), the survivor benefits and therefore these numbers will shift, so it's worth re-running with real statement data. And the usual caveat: this is a planning model with stated approximations, not advice from a licensed advisor — happy to change any assumption (widow claiming age, equivalence scale, inheritance treatment, return/inflation) and regenerate the table, or give it to you as a spreadsheet.

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