Hi Scott, Trump tried to steal the election each way from Sunday. You surely realize this. That's stealing my and your country's freedom to choose. If MAGA references destroy democracy, it almost did irreparable damage to you as well as me as well as our kids. Let's not call each other insane. Let's respect each other regardless of our opinions.
Frankly, I don't believe your scenario over Trump taking over as a dictator. It has turned out that the democrats were the one's trying to grasp and hold power by lying to us for years over Trump's collusion and many other matters. Turned out to be a complete fabrication. Who are the one's that brought our democracy to the brink by constantly attacking a legitimately elected president with lies? And today we see them try to erode the legitimacy of our Supreme Court. I fear democrats are a much larger threat to democracy. They are the one's for censorship, for weaponizing the government to enforcer their ideologies, etc. You don't toe their line, you loose your job, are blacklisted, etc.
Jan 6 were people protesting (some violently) but most peacefully just like the Black Lives Matter protests all over the country where there was looting, destruction and harming of life. It just so happens that the politicians that talked it good for two years suddenly experienced themselves what so many around the country experienced and suddenly it was no longer "mainly peaceful" and good simply because it wasn't their politics. I don't like Trump, never have. But I'd much rather him president than Biden who is far from center and a far greater threat to democracy (if he really is the one runnings things —some times I think he is just carted out for whoever really is running things). As for a contingent candidate, I'm all for a different candidate, but no way if it means I have to vote for Biden if he drops out.
Please tell me, and anybody else here, who is seriously telling us Trumps “collusion and many other matters” are lies. “Turned out to be a complete fabrication “ ?!? It certainly isn’t any body in a position of legitimate authority. I love you people who have repeated this over and over again hoping you can convince people not to trust their own judgement. Certainly Robert Mueller didn’t think so ! The final report states that “Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion"[10][11][12] but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identifies myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[17]’ You call that complete fabrications?
You evidently didn't read the Durham report, there never was any evidence of collusion.. The report basically says the 'evidence" was the creation of H.Clinton's campaign team and the FBI ran with it. Of course the people who for 4 years were broadcasting their collusion story weren't suddenly going to own up to the fact and publish mea culpa's which is why many people (like you?) are still believing something the rest of the world now knows is bunk. P.S. Russians interfere with every election, always have, just as the USA around the world. That is not collusion, besides Obama was president, it was his job to stop the Russians (but remember he told Romney Russia wasn't a threat and told the Russian leaders he would talk to them differently after the election —not knowing the microphone was on—I'd say that was closer to collusion than anything Trump did.)
The Durham Report ?!?! Are you even a serious person ? Why would I even want to read a widely discredit partisan pile of crap that only found several poor decisions by the FBI ? What was revealed by Mueller and the other investigations: “Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort shared private internal campaign information with a Russian intelligence official; the top Trump campaign command, including his son, met with Russian officials who promised to provide “dirt” on Clinton; Flynn, Trump’s national security guy, had questionable contacts with the Russians.” You can try the gaslighting bs of your obvious “hero”, a known rapist liar and indicted insurrectionist traitor who stole top secrets.
If you think Durham is a political hack, then reread your Meuller report. Not even he found evidence of collusion (not my assessment of his report but NPR's as well as the American Bar Association and many others) and collusion is what the press and democrats harped on for years and drug us through two impeachments for. I never said there was no Russian interference. As I said I assume there is such in every election, you can't blame Trump for Russian interference. There always has been such. Not Trump but Obama was responsible for stopping Russian influence. And as far as I know it is not against the law and certainly is not collusion just because you talked to a Russian (if that's what you're insinuating). Many of us who defend Trump don't like him one wit (I do believe it's all about himself and not the party or the county, and I certainly don't defend his character)—but I dislike even more people who resort to dirty politics and dishonesty —as the Democrats have for four years. I wish Trump would step aside, I think that's best for the party and country, but he won''t so it is as Kotlikof says likely a contest between Trump and Biden. If you take appearances as proof of misdeeds as you seemingly do, and the actions of his children, then Biden is even more corrupt than Trump (political office for gain and who knows what else). My beef with him are his policies and the shameful way he departed from Afghanistan, in addition to the fact he never seems to know what he is talking about. I will not vote for him period, especially if Ms Harris is to become president should he become incapacitated (she is the one after all who tried to make excuses for the violence of BLM protests—I don't like double standards: democrats can kill, loot, and burn and democracy is safe but when alleged republicans do it democracy is at stake? It's wrong no matter who does it.). I dislike Trump, but the things I (and you) dislike in Trump I see in Biden too., but in addition I believe Biden's policies for the country are going to turn us into Argentina or Venezuela and we normal American will not be better off. You are free to reply again, but this is it for me.
I don't have television so I can't watch any of things you mention. I read a couple of Dutch and French newspapers because I lived in Europe and went to university there. Of US papers I generally read the Los Angeles Times (because I live in Calif) which is about as biased as you can get, and I read the Wall Street Journal, which though conservative is not as ideologically fanatical as the LA Times. What do you read?
Don, We differ, but so be it. Laffey is far more to both our likings than either Biden or Trump. Take a look. My best and thanks for your comment, Larry
There is no way any 3rd party is going to win because the deep state money and collusion is not behind them. RFK will be thrown under the bus by the DNC. The GOP is in total confusion. Biden will win so prepare for a total breakdown of society than will be taken care of by the instituting of a socialist regime, AKA Biden and company. Your freedom is lost unless you are one of the fortunate few who has his hand in the till with regime in power. If you have any money in the bank you wont have it long, and your grocery store will have but a few staples to sell you if you can get some food stamps. People cant see the writing on the wall.
You worry about Trump and the fake felonies, while the rest of us will follow the money flowing into the BidenCrime family and the selling of influence while he was VP along with Hunter in Ukraine, Russia and China. Get a grip and take a reality check
Hi Scott, Trump tried to steal the election each way from Sunday. You surely realize this. That's stealing my and your country's freedom to choose. If MAGA references destroy democracy, it almost did irreparable damage to you as well as me as well as our kids. Let's not call each other insane. Let's respect each other regardless of our opinions.
Hi Don, Let's hope we get a third party candidate.
best, Larry
Frankly, I don't believe your scenario over Trump taking over as a dictator. It has turned out that the democrats were the one's trying to grasp and hold power by lying to us for years over Trump's collusion and many other matters. Turned out to be a complete fabrication. Who are the one's that brought our democracy to the brink by constantly attacking a legitimately elected president with lies? And today we see them try to erode the legitimacy of our Supreme Court. I fear democrats are a much larger threat to democracy. They are the one's for censorship, for weaponizing the government to enforcer their ideologies, etc. You don't toe their line, you loose your job, are blacklisted, etc.
Jan 6 were people protesting (some violently) but most peacefully just like the Black Lives Matter protests all over the country where there was looting, destruction and harming of life. It just so happens that the politicians that talked it good for two years suddenly experienced themselves what so many around the country experienced and suddenly it was no longer "mainly peaceful" and good simply because it wasn't their politics. I don't like Trump, never have. But I'd much rather him president than Biden who is far from center and a far greater threat to democracy (if he really is the one runnings things —some times I think he is just carted out for whoever really is running things). As for a contingent candidate, I'm all for a different candidate, but no way if it means I have to vote for Biden if he drops out.
Please tell me, and anybody else here, who is seriously telling us Trumps “collusion and many other matters” are lies. “Turned out to be a complete fabrication “ ?!? It certainly isn’t any body in a position of legitimate authority. I love you people who have repeated this over and over again hoping you can convince people not to trust their own judgement. Certainly Robert Mueller didn’t think so ! The final report states that “Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion"[10][11][12] but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identifies myriad links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[17]’ You call that complete fabrications?
You evidently didn't read the Durham report, there never was any evidence of collusion.. The report basically says the 'evidence" was the creation of H.Clinton's campaign team and the FBI ran with it. Of course the people who for 4 years were broadcasting their collusion story weren't suddenly going to own up to the fact and publish mea culpa's which is why many people (like you?) are still believing something the rest of the world now knows is bunk. P.S. Russians interfere with every election, always have, just as the USA around the world. That is not collusion, besides Obama was president, it was his job to stop the Russians (but remember he told Romney Russia wasn't a threat and told the Russian leaders he would talk to them differently after the election —not knowing the microphone was on—I'd say that was closer to collusion than anything Trump did.)
The Durham Report ?!?! Are you even a serious person ? Why would I even want to read a widely discredit partisan pile of crap that only found several poor decisions by the FBI ? What was revealed by Mueller and the other investigations: “Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort shared private internal campaign information with a Russian intelligence official; the top Trump campaign command, including his son, met with Russian officials who promised to provide “dirt” on Clinton; Flynn, Trump’s national security guy, had questionable contacts with the Russians.” You can try the gaslighting bs of your obvious “hero”, a known rapist liar and indicted insurrectionist traitor who stole top secrets.
If you think Durham is a political hack, then reread your Meuller report. Not even he found evidence of collusion (not my assessment of his report but NPR's as well as the American Bar Association and many others) and collusion is what the press and democrats harped on for years and drug us through two impeachments for. I never said there was no Russian interference. As I said I assume there is such in every election, you can't blame Trump for Russian interference. There always has been such. Not Trump but Obama was responsible for stopping Russian influence. And as far as I know it is not against the law and certainly is not collusion just because you talked to a Russian (if that's what you're insinuating). Many of us who defend Trump don't like him one wit (I do believe it's all about himself and not the party or the county, and I certainly don't defend his character)—but I dislike even more people who resort to dirty politics and dishonesty —as the Democrats have for four years. I wish Trump would step aside, I think that's best for the party and country, but he won''t so it is as Kotlikof says likely a contest between Trump and Biden. If you take appearances as proof of misdeeds as you seemingly do, and the actions of his children, then Biden is even more corrupt than Trump (political office for gain and who knows what else). My beef with him are his policies and the shameful way he departed from Afghanistan, in addition to the fact he never seems to know what he is talking about. I will not vote for him period, especially if Ms Harris is to become president should he become incapacitated (she is the one after all who tried to make excuses for the violence of BLM protests—I don't like double standards: democrats can kill, loot, and burn and democracy is safe but when alleged republicans do it democracy is at stake? It's wrong no matter who does it.). I dislike Trump, but the things I (and you) dislike in Trump I see in Biden too., but in addition I believe Biden's policies for the country are going to turn us into Argentina or Venezuela and we normal American will not be better off. You are free to reply again, but this is it for me.
You must be a big fan of FOX News and/or even more extreme right wing media. They’re playing your tunes all the time.
I don't have television so I can't watch any of things you mention. I read a couple of Dutch and French newspapers because I lived in Europe and went to university there. Of US papers I generally read the Los Angeles Times (because I live in Calif) which is about as biased as you can get, and I read the Wall Street Journal, which though conservative is not as ideologically fanatical as the LA Times. What do you read?
Leo must watch MSDNC 24/7
Don, We differ, but so be it. Laffey is far more to both our likings than either Biden or Trump. Take a look. My best and thanks for your comment, Larry
Are you on drugs ?
There is no way any 3rd party is going to win because the deep state money and collusion is not behind them. RFK will be thrown under the bus by the DNC. The GOP is in total confusion. Biden will win so prepare for a total breakdown of society than will be taken care of by the instituting of a socialist regime, AKA Biden and company. Your freedom is lost unless you are one of the fortunate few who has his hand in the till with regime in power. If you have any money in the bank you wont have it long, and your grocery store will have but a few staples to sell you if you can get some food stamps. People cant see the writing on the wall.
You worry about Trump and the fake felonies, while the rest of us will follow the money flowing into the BidenCrime family and the selling of influence while he was VP along with Hunter in Ukraine, Russia and China. Get a grip and take a reality check
What have MAGA actually done to you? Insane fantasies don’t count.